Curse

Axel Zinfandel · May 23, 2008, 02:47 AM // 02:47

Simple question, do Heroes use this skill only when their energy gets low, or will they try to maintain this when possible?

Shaz · May 23, 2008, 04:02 AM // 04:02

They use it on recharge, so maintain when possible.

Nightow · May 23, 2008, 04:17 AM // 04:17

With 16 in Energy storage and a enchanting staff, it only has a downtime of a few seconds, nothing a quick BR couldn't fix. Just did a complete FoW run with 1 monk hero and 1 [Ether renewal] Prot ele. As long as his enchants weren't stripped, he did a superb job.

Axel Zinfandel · May 23, 2008, 04:43 AM // 04:43

Awesome

With this skill, Eles have more broken energy management then Necros and soul reaping!

Nightow · May 23, 2008, 05:47 AM // 05:47

Yeah, this is what I had Zhed run with 16 energy storage, 10 prot, rest in smiting

[Zealot's Fire][ether renewal][aura of restoration][protective spirit][spirit bond][Reverse Hex][Reversal of Fortune][Shield Guardian]

It's all about teh spam.

distilledwill · May 23, 2008, 09:24 AM // 09:24

I was thinking something along the lines of this:

[build prof=E/Rt name="Ether Fire" box Firemagic=12+1+1 EnergyStorage=12+1 RestorationMagic=3][Rodgort's Invocation][Liquid Flame][Teinai's Heat][Glyph Of Elemental Power][Ether Renewal][Aura Of Restoration][Fire Attunement][Death Pact Signet][/build]

DarkSpirit · May 23, 2008, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by Nightow

Yeah, this is what I had Zhed run with 16 energy storage, 10 prot, rest in smiting

[Zealot's Fire][ether renewal][aura of restoration][protective spirit][spirit bond][Reverse Hex][Reversal of Fortune][Shield Guardian]

It's all about teh spam.

Not bad.

Or something like this:

[build prof=E/Mo ene=12 smi=12 pro=3][Reversal of Damage][Reversal of Fortune][Smite Hex][Signet of Mystic Wrath][Zealot's Fire][Aura of Restoration][Ether Renewal][Resurrection Signet][/build]

Or

[build prof=E/D ene=12 win=10 earthp=8][Dwayna's Touch][Mystic Twister][Mystic Healing][Vow of Piety][Mystic Regeneration][Aura of Restoration][Ether Renewal][Resurrection Signet][/build]

Or

[build prof=E/N blo=12 ene=12][Order of Pain][Dark Fury][Blood Ritual][Blood Renewal][Well of Blood][Aura of Restoration][Ether Renewal][Resurrection Signet][/build]

Edit: Ok, just found a similar build as the last one in pvxwiki. I guess the good choices for that build is kind of limited.

Nightow · May 23, 2008, 04:24 PM // 16:24

Yeah, there's really only so much you can do as far as good skill combos. I might just start running this elite on all three of my Ele heroes...

Sab · May 23, 2008, 06:21 PM // 18:21

Last time I used it, Zealot's Fire causes scattering? Anyway, I'd probably try:

[build prof=E/Mo ene=12+1+1 smi=12][Reversal of Damage][Smite Condition][Smite Hex][Draw Conditions][Zealot's Fire][Ether Renewal][Aura of Restoration][Strength of Honor][/build]

Nightow · May 23, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by Sab

Last time I used it, Zealot's Fire causes scattering?

You're probably right when it's used in HM.

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Originally Posted by Sab

Anyway, I'd probably try:

[build prof=E/Mo ene=12+1+1 smi=12][Reversal of Damage][Smite Condition][Smite Hex][Draw Conditions][Zealot's Fire][Ether Renewal][Aura of Restoration][Strength of Honor][/build]

I just wonder how heroes would use Draw and Smite Condition on the same bar.

DarkSpirit · May 23, 2008, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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Originally Posted by Nightow

I just wonder how heroes would use Draw and Smite Condition on the same bar.

Not sure if it matters much either way. I expect Draw would be used more often than Smite due to its shorter recharge.

I have another hero running Martyr/Plague Sending so I didnt spec any condition management on my Ele smiter build.

Nightow · May 23, 2008, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

Not sure if it matters much either way. I expect Draw would be used more often than Smite due to its shorter recharge.

I have another hero running Martyr/Plague Sending so I didnt spec any condition management on my Ele smiter build.

I'm just afraid they'd stupidly use draw first on say a front line character and then smite on themselves without any enemies within range.

I usually leave condition removal to the MM.
[Foul feast] + [infuse condition] or [martyr] + [infuse condition]

DarkSpirit · May 23, 2008, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by Nightow

I'm just afraid they'd stupidly use draw first on say a front line character and then smite on themselves without any enemies within range.

I suspect they would do that, i.e. using Smite Condition just as a condition removal rather than an attack. They would also use Smite Hex on a hexed ally even when no enemies are around.

But that is an issue between the AI and the Smite Condition skill itself, nothing to do with Draw Conditions.

Racthoh · May 23, 2008, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

[build prof=E/N blo=12 ene=12][Order of Pain][Dark Fury][Blood Ritual][Blood Renewal][Well of Blood][Aura of Restoration][Ether Renewal][Resurrection Signet][/build]

I don't see the benefit of Ether Renewal for orders unless it's supposed to make up for the health saccing. I'd rather use a D/N since it heals everyone else as well.

DarkSpirit · May 23, 2008, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

I don't see the benefit of Ether Renewal for orders unless it's supposed to make up for the health saccing. I'd rather use a D/N since it heals everyone else as well.

Suppose to have more self healing, more energy, and BR. Other than that, I dont see any other advantage.

Ether Renewal is a natural to go with an orders team even if the Ele is not running orders.

Marverick · May 23, 2008, 10:46 PM // 22:46

[Ether Renewal][Aura of Restoration][Fire Attunement][Rodgort's Invocation][Fireball][Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom][Ebon Battle Standard of Honor][Ebon Battle Standard of Courage]
[Ether Renewal][Aura of Restoration][Fire Attunement][Heal Party][Infuse Health][Rodgort's Invocation][Fireball][Resurrection Signet]
[Ether Renewal][Aura of Restoration][Fire Attunement][Protective Spirit][Spirit Bond][Rodgort's Invocation][Fireball][Resurrection Signet]
[Ether Renewal][Aura of Restoration][Air Attunement][Blinding Flash][Lightning Orb][Lightning Hammer][Deep Freeze][Resurrection Signet]

Gogo ele way.

DarkSpirit · May 23, 2008, 11:30 PM // 23:30

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Originally Posted by Marverick

[Ether Renewal][Aura of Restoration][Fire Attunement][Rodgort's Invocation][Fireball][Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom][Ebon Battle Standard of Honor][Ebon Battle Standard of Courage]
[Ether Renewal][Aura of Restoration][Fire Attunement][Heal Party][Infuse Health][Rodgort's Invocation][Fireball][Resurrection Signet]
[Ether Renewal][Aura of Restoration][Fire Attunement][Protective Spirit][Spirit Bond][Rodgort's Invocation][Fireball][Resurrection Signet]
[Ether Renewal][Aura of Restoration][Air Attunement][Blinding Flash][Lightning Orb][Lightning Hammer][Deep Freeze][Resurrection Signet]

Gogo ele way.

Personally, I would bring Vengeance as the Res, but that's just me.

Nightow · May 24, 2008, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

Personally, I would bring Vengeance as the Res, but that's just me.

Haha, I just slap that on my MM since he's pure evil.

Nice builds though. I'll have to try them out.

Teutonic Paladin · May 24, 2008, 05:29 AM // 05:29

Been using Ether Renewal to spam Heal Party and Heal Other, never run out of energy, more defense than I ever got out of N/Rt Healers.

Abedeus · May 24, 2008, 08:01 AM // 08:01

Aw man, just when I tried to create the ultimate pure Elementalist hero setup, they give me the best e-management anyone can imagine - passive and overpowered. GO GO MEGAENCHANT LOL +20 ENERGY EACH CAST!

I'm going to totally clear FoW with heroes now.